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okay here is our interview with

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professor declan hill so let's go to the

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to the root cause so you're you're in

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the middle of doing some pretty major

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reporting about the origins of covid and

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the wuhan lab

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you mentioned that you had heard our

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recent podcast where

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my guest was asserting

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just to sum it up if i recall correctly

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he's basically asserting that he

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believes it was an accidental leak from

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the wuhan lab he believes however that

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it was a bio weapon that was being

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designed and that is what leaked out

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that china immediately shut down wuhan

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you know locked everybody in their homes

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to try to stop the spread but did

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nothing to try to stop the spread

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outside of china so on the one hand

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while they're trying to contain it in

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wuhan they don't bother to say cancel

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all the flights leaving china and in

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that sense

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according to our guests

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they have blood in their hands that you

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know they didn't want to contain it to

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just china and hence allowing all the

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flights to travel so let's kind of start

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from that standpoint based on what the

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research you've been doing and

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maybe give your thoughts on on his

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position and then get into yours

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absolutely absolutely i i i

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think this is the greatest story of our

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time i run a podcast

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crimewavespodcast.com

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and i was talking with my producer and i

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said this is the biggest crime of our

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century so far

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because the economist intelligence unit

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puts the numbers the true numbers of

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people who've been

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affected killed by kovitz somewhere

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between 12.7

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and 24 million people

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so we're talking about an industrial

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accident on a genocidal scale a

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slow-motion chernobyl the only thing

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that i would disagree with your previous

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is that

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from the research that i've seen from

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all the you know peer-reviewed papers

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from the discussions the debates on

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viruses that i've gone through

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i don't think it came from

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the wuhan

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virology laboratory the bsl4 thing and

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the reason why i don't think it came

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from that place which was now as your

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previous guest said being taken over by

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the pla the people's liberation army

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is that they were doing

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dangerous covert research in

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laboratories that had the standards of

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even more shocking there was a contract

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in june 2019 so that's six months before

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the epidemic was fully revealed to the

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world and again as your listeners will

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know as you know in the epidemiology the

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study of the disease it's like a little

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flat line you know the disease can come

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out because some cleaner doesn't wash

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their hands and it goes like a flat line

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and then it starts to go up and up and

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up so six months before that up and up

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one of the laboratories at a much lower

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sorry when you say one of

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explain what you mean this is in wuhan

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are you saying that wuhan lab there's

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multiple laboratories within wuhan oh

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gosh yes absolutely i mean people have

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been focused in on the wiv which is

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the wuhan institute of virology okay and

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that's the that's the bsl biosafety

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laboratory for and there's all kinds of

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problems with that laboratory and i get

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into it in painstaking detail you know

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the it wasn't certified by um you know

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the company who constructed it there

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were all kinds of issues the deputy

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secretary there said that we've

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hidden dangers and common problems all

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kinds of issues around that particular

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lab now and just to be clear is that the

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lab where we create viruses so we can

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figure out how to protect against them

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here's the problem james there were nine

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that was the crown jewel

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these other laboratories were doing the

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same research and they didn't have the

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this is like hey i'm here in new haven

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this research and they're like hey we

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have so much research we're going to go

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they were doing covert research

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dangerous covert virology research

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at these other laboratories

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sorry all these are in the city of wuhan

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different locations they're scattered

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million so it's slightly larger than new

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york and it's known as a research center

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for these viruses and there's so many

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research scientists coming here they're

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there may have been problems as your

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problems at that particular laboratory

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but what i'm basing my evidence on is

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that they were also doing covet

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at vsl2 and bsl3 things let me please

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laboratory standards at some of these

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china just in wuhan in june of 2019 so

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one of these other laboratories in wuhan

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puts out a contract to get rid of their

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they've been collecting hazardous waste

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from these dangerous pathogens and

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dangerous viruses they've been

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to get rid of that's the that's the kind

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of shoddy standards that was going on in

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um there's a famous virologist here in

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north america he looked at some of the

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peer-reviewed papers that the

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independent researchers were finding and

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local dentist or your local high school

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research laboratory they're appalling

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kind of dangerous virology in those

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types of laboratories and are those

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the the great problem is that western

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atomic science in june of 2012 and the

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research journal

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came out of the nuclear cold war um

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whistle on chernobyl and they said

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there is an 80 percent chance with all

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the different lab leaks with all the

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different ax lab accidents

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there's an 80 chance that we're going to

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this is the stuff that gradually the

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obama administration went well hang on a

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second we shouldn't be doing hidden gain

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of function we're going to stop this in

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similar things were happening around

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europe and what did these bozos do

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they did what so many of the capitalists

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have done in our society in the last

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generation they offshored it to china

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and and and this type of research again

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another famous research scientist said

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this type of research is like looking

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for a gas leak with a lit match

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like the idea of what these guys were

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the research laboratories again i don't

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this are shoddily run they're terribly

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wrong it's common practice in chinese

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to take the animals that they've

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pathogens and sell them to the local

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and i'm not talking about james and

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declan having a couple of beers and

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saying hey let's get rid of our rabbits

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this would be a great idea i'm talking

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about organized crime racketeering

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where some of these morons in their

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research laboratory were making close to

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a million dollars from selling pathogen

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standards with hazardous waste you've

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department goes to this wuhan research

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complex these eight or nine different

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research laboratories wiv the main one

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the chinese research scientists who run

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up these laboratories are begging the

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american diplomats saying hey

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here we need your help training these

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the head of the wiv the top lab the

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crown jewel of these research

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article in october 2019. so again just

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where they write about how bad the

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standards are so again it's not declan

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this about it thank you again to our

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guest professor declan hill you can

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